tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post5714097622147273678..comments2024-03-18T06:44:55.556-04:00Comments on The Birdchaser: Birds 1, Feral Cats 0--Court Orders LA To Stop Controversial Feral Cat Programbirdchaserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12059679554555819009noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-3049614356347900522009-12-22T18:19:18.170-05:002009-12-22T18:19:18.170-05:00Ric, based on the best research available cats kil...Ric, based on the best research available cats kill about the same estimated number of birds as windows do. Cars are not a significant threat to birds. TNR DOES NOT reduce numbers of cats and managed colonies often serve as a cat magnet. There is good research on TNR, and it all points to it being ineffectual at controlling cat numbers. I know the TNR reality folks, and one reason they have birdchaserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12059679554555819009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-26498035402443740762009-12-22T12:58:03.595-05:002009-12-22T12:58:03.595-05:00TNRrealitycheck.COM is listed anonymously by proxy...TNRrealitycheck.COM is listed anonymously by proxy through site dedicated to anonymity, not truth or information.<br />see for yourself. <br /><br /> (http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/... )<br /><br />(http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/About.aspx... )<br /><br />What neither TNRRealitycheck.COM and the bird lovers dont tell any of us is that 10 the number of birds are killed by cats and Ricnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-91455500954964435722009-12-13T16:17:15.147-05:002009-12-13T16:17:15.147-05:00What is interesting is that if TNR actually result...What is interesting is that if TNR actually resulted in helping wildlife (instead of being the scourge of nature), then what are the TNR advocates concerned about? Let the environmental reviews proceed!<br /><br />The fact is, there is no scientific support for this method.<br /><br />See here for lots of information (since 2006) and view the Press Release:<br /><br />http://tnrrealitycheck.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-47688723600226463062009-12-12T20:45:43.721-05:002009-12-12T20:45:43.721-05:00I THINK that there is a GREAT PRECIDENT here that ...I THINK that there is a GREAT PRECIDENT here that needs to be looked at.<br /><br />Since <b>Feral Cats and yes FERAL dogs</b> can reek havoc on the environment, then <b>an IMMEDIATE MORATOREUM, needs to be in place for ALL selling and GIVING away of NON-Neutered or Spayed ANIMALS IMMEDIATELY.</b><br /><br />ALL pet shops, all breeders, EVERYTHING should <b>NOT be allowed to sell, give away ANY MKPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17453293878545118546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-85296833277037467712009-12-11T13:30:36.925-05:002009-12-11T13:30:36.925-05:00Attention: Any Audubon Society that supports or al...Attention: Any Audubon Society that supports or allows TNR. You are being dishonest to your mission. You were established to protect and conserve NATIVE wildlife. TNR does neither. TNR simply allows it's practitioners to feel good about themselves. In NO cases has it resulted in the elimination of a cat colony. Numbers were reduced in some situations but there are NO studies that show Jim L.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-75246396871584935412009-12-11T13:25:58.471-05:002009-12-11T13:25:58.471-05:00I'm sorry, but I cannot except your contention...I'm sorry, but I cannot except your contention that TNR is more humane. "Humane" is in the eye of the beholder. I believe it EXTREMELY inhumane to re-release a cat that will in the course of it's brutal short life not only kill a number of small birds and mammals sometimes ripping their heads off, sometimes eating them alive, but also the cat itself will be subject to a brutalJim L.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-16984979518243315612009-12-10T01:35:50.191-05:002009-12-10T01:35:50.191-05:00Actual Research on the success or failure of TNR p...Actual Research on the success or failure of TNR programs<br />http://tnrrealitycheck.net/<br /><br />Whether you kill or neuter and return, you have the same effect of reducing the breeding population. Over a long period of time the breeding population is what determines population size. That's why TNR works.<br /><br />The difference is killing is less humane, while TNR is humane and takes JD Concanon Dochtermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-7344365476964608282009-12-09T23:53:01.043-05:002009-12-09T23:53:01.043-05:00To: Director, Audobon Center at Deb's Park
H...To: Director, Audobon Center at Deb's Park<br /><br />Hi Jeffrey,<br /><br />The ASNC supports TNR (see our minutes from two months ago where we bought 12 traps), but the recent blog suggests on of our *biggest* recipients of ASNC funds, Audobon at Debs Park, opposes TNR:<br /><br />http://birdchaser.blogspot.com/2009/12/birds-1-feral-cats-0-court-orders-la-to.html<br /><br />If this ASNC Treasurerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10964798713575415469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-24997261067073473602009-12-09T23:11:37.389-05:002009-12-09T23:11:37.389-05:00I would like to see these "conservation group...I would like to see these "conservation groups" come up with a better solution to the feral cat problem than TNR. Perhaps Audubon and others could chip in the funds it would take to capture all of the cats, and house them in a no-kill shelter.<br /><br />It is very discouraging to read a blog post like this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-82474242134685058412009-12-09T21:40:43.308-05:002009-12-09T21:40:43.308-05:00Great going everyone! Now there will be more cats ...Great going everyone! Now there will be more cats to kill birds. Do the math. Spaying cats = less cats=less birds killed... just brilliant...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-32595169691968589102009-12-07T22:22:20.806-05:002009-12-07T22:22:20.806-05:00I'm sure the City knew there would be negative...I'm sure the City knew there would be negatives in the CEQA which is why they tried to shake the enviro groups. Plus, TNR does not work in the real world. It works in a vacuum, on paper, if everyone does everything right, which is impossible. <br /><br />The current proponents of TNR are just people who don't want to kill the cats. I understand that but they should be honest. Not only Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9336879.post-57944034957287446512009-12-07T16:45:55.621-05:002009-12-07T16:45:55.621-05:00Fantastic! I think they didn't do the CEQA st...Fantastic! I think they didn't do the CEQA study because they know in their hearts that TNR does not stand up to peer-reviewed science. They have never been able to separate the effects of removals (which all TNR does to some extent - kittens and sociable cats) from the effects of neutering. And of course, their idea of success is different from others. If they have any reduction in Jim L.noreply@blogger.com